Why is being a feminist a bad thing?

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Respect is the key, and getting equal treatment, even though I don't consider men and women to be equal, per se. We're different, we're made to be different, but that doesn't make one better than the other. I'd love to be a stay-at-home mom, but that doesn't mean I think every other woman should have that as a goal. Something that started out so great really got turned around along the way.

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Great post! It actually had me mad at one point. What's the deal? How old are these women anyway? Obviously, they haven't been out working much yet because they don't know just how unfair it really is. That's just crazy. I'm glad you were there to stand up for all those points, and they were all good ones, too.
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Excellent! And thank you dewitte for sharing this.

Anyway, I couldn't agree with you more. It's sad to me that we have to have a philosophy to hold on to in order to expand on the idea that women are equal to men. But like all things socially influenced, we have to protect or else its taken away.
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Wow. Great post. You speak wisely. Just as I wouldn't deride a woman's decision to stay home if that's what she chose to do, I wouldn't expect to be looked down upon because I'm single and I deserve fair wages for my work.

Thanks to DeWitte for sending me this way as well.

Good luck with your class!

I don't believe respect for women is a feminist issue. Nor is equality. I think it's an issue of empathy, compassion. I think the fact that people label it as a feminist issue gives everyone else an excuse to ignore its validity.

I agree - equal treatment. I think that if women were as respected as well as men are - maybe then equal treatment wouldn't even be an issue...you know what I mean?

It is sad that something like standing up for your rights turned so ugly.

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My Man! Lol.

In answer to your question - the women were an average age of 30-50. One girl who was 18, homeschooled and raised to believe that a women's place is in the home, which is okay with me...but she had no openness about it being a choice for the woman, and that part I was not okay with.

Thanks for the free publicity, by the way. =P

I, too, agree. But I wish that something as simple as respect should be wasn't something that had to be protected....I think that is an excellent point, though.
Thanks...I have it again on Monday, so it will be interesting to see how things go...I'll keep you posted. lol
where do you take classes? that's almost unbelievable.

i'm glad my fiancé understands that i wear the pants in the family. (and that he wants to be a stay at home dad, if at all possible. which at this rate, won't be. but that's an economy story for another day.)

I'm a little baffalled by your comment. I've thought about it and the only way I can respond is by posting the definitions of feminist and feminism, which I think are important...

feminist
adjective 1. of or relating to or advocating equal rights for women; "feminist critique"
noun 1. a supporter of feminism

fem·i·nism Audio Help /ˈfɛməˌnɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fem-uh-niz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men. 2. (sometimes initial capital letter) an organized movement for the attainment of such rights for women. 3. feminine character.

I am going to have to politely disagree with you, as I think that respect, rights, and equality are indeed feminist issues. But that's just me.

I was actually agreeing with you, but taking it to the next level. I'm sorry that's getting misinterpreted. I'll try to say it better?...

I believe everyone has a right to be treated with respect and as an equal, and that teaching people to respect women is something that not only benefits women, it benefits society as a whole. Thus (to me) it's a bigger issue than just a feminist issue. It's not just our position and treatment in relation to men, but each other.

I don't think it's just men who need to learn these things about respect and equality. I think women need to treat their own sex with respect too. For example, the whole "stay-at-home-mom" versus "working-mom" issue that I've lived on both sides of, doesn't get a lot of respect, or support from either side. We constantly disrespect each other because of our own choices.

My second point was that sometimes, when people label something as a feminist issue, others (the people who probably need to hear it the most) blow it off and ignore it. Sort of like liberals calling things conservative and vice versa.

I'm sorry my point is muddily explained. I was assuming you knew where I was coming from in general, and didn't fully get into it.

Got it now. I guess that saying about assuming is true...I've never fogotten how my Algebra teacher explained it to me...still makes me crack up.

Anyway - yes - I agree with you. I think you are saying that calling it for what it is (being a feminist) causes even less respect. RIght? Or am I wrong again???

Spot on! :) Thanks for understanding my gobbledy muck!
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Lady, I adore you! What you said has so much truth to it, but people generally try to ignore everything that's unpleasant. In India, it's given that you have to marry and raise a kid and yadda yadda. It's alright for those who want to do that, but what about personal choices? Everything is dependent on the husband - from the job to the number of kids. There are people who are liberal enough, but no matter what a large chunk of population might think, they're not broad-minded.
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A-freaking-men. :)

Was directed over here by DeWitte...

"A woman's place is in the home" is a phrase that's still being used?! What is this, 1950? I cannot believe that you were the only person to raise your hand.

I think that the word "feminist" has a lot of ugly, unwarranted connotations and maybe that's why people don't like to label themselves with it. I think that being a feminist doesn't mean you conform exactly to certain set of beliefs. It's that you care about women as people and that you agree that they should have the same opportunities afforded to them because they are not any less than men.

Grrr. People anger me.

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Ya know..I never even thought about the judgment thing until after I stopped working when we decided to have a kid and met it head on. I think I just became sensitive to it then but I don't know how many times I've heard mothers that have to work say things like "she'll never have to work a day in her life" about SAHM's. I'm one of the lucky ones (and know it) that don't have to earn a salary but I'd find a way to work from home (Like Gunderson does!) if I had to rather than let someone else raise my child. I'm not sure what's wrong with that choice.

This is a great post.
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Just stumbled across this -- what a great post. I couldn't agree with you more. Kudos to you for speaking up. In the same situation I would have had a total brain meltdown, probably, and blubbered with frustration.

I would love to have someone explain to me where the big honking bad-PR problem came from that now seems to surround the word "feminist." Are we dealing with clueless teenagers who think they're asserting their independence by rejecting a political movement they associate with the older generation (and assume, stupidly, must therefore be obsolete)? Do these young women who think "feminist" is a dirty word simply because they have no sense of history and no sense of what is going on in the world outside the U.S. (or their tiny little personal universes) ...

Uyyyyy. Good luck, kids.

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